{"id":3207,"date":"2016-06-28T10:12:57","date_gmt":"2016-06-28T09:12:57","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/stmonans.org.uk\/blog\/?p=3207"},"modified":"2024-07-07T22:04:39","modified_gmt":"2024-07-07T21:04:39","slug":"community-council-minutes-20616","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stmonans.org.uk\/blog\/community-council-minutes-20616\/","title":{"rendered":"Community Council Minutes 20\/6\/16"},"content":{"rendered":"

Minutes<\/strong> of the Ordinary Meeting of the Burgh of St Monans and Abercrombie Community Council<\/strong> held on Monday, 20 June 2016 at 7.30 pm.\u00a0<\/p>\n

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P Copland (Chairman)<\/td>\nV Salvage (Vice Chairman)<\/td>\nG Brown (Treasurer)<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
M Ashworth<\/td>\nP Peddie<\/td>\nW Buchan<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
E Hughes<\/td>\nB Allan<\/td>\nV Bland<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Cllr E Riches<\/td>\nCllr J Docherty<\/td>\nCllr D Macgregor<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
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1<\/strong><\/td>\nWelcome and Apologies<\/strong><\/p>\n

P Copland welcomed everyone.<\/p>\n

Apologies: None<\/td>\n

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2<\/strong><\/td>\nDeclarations of Interest<\/strong><\/p>\n

Several of the Community Councillors declared an interest regarding item 8.1 <\/strong>in the minutes \u2013 the Common Good Application for the Kirk Hall <\/strong>and abstained from voting on this matter.<\/td>\n

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3<\/strong><\/td>\nLast Minutes and Arising<\/strong><\/p>\n

3.1(2.2)(5) Miller Terrace<\/strong><\/p>\n

P Copland said that he had been busy this month as he had been involved with Sea Queen.\u00a0 He had no further information regarding Miller Terrace.<\/td>\n

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3.2 (2.10) (13) Car Parking across Driveways<\/strong><\/p>\n

P Copland said that he did speak to Colin Stirling regarding parking across driveways.\u00a0 He is awaiting advice from one of his Technicians.<\/td>\n

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3.3(8.10) Speed Limit<\/strong><\/p>\n

P Copland said that, regarding moving the speed limit by the Caravan Park, that we looked at this before; and we will look at it again.<\/td>\n

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3.4 (2.1)(4) Water at Rose Street<\/strong><\/p>\n

Cllr J Docherty said that he had got the contact.\u00a0\u00a0 The person from Fife Council contacted him again.\u00a0 He said that anyone interested should let him know.<\/p>\n

G Brown said that he thought it is important that someone goes round with the Fife Council representative, especially those who have been involved with the surface water problems over the years.\u00a0 E Hughes said that she was happy to do this but could not do it apart from a Tuesday or Wednesday.\u00a0 M Ashworth, E Hughes and B Allan to co-ordinate with Cllr J Docherty.<\/td>\n

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3.5(8.9) Waste Bin by the Windmill<\/strong><\/p>\n

A contact person is needed.\u00a0 John Kinsman of Coast Watch was suggested, as he had said that he would deal with it.<\/td>\n

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3.6 (2.3)(6)\u00a0 Rusty Road Signs<\/strong><\/p>\n

Cllr E Riches said that she was still chasing this.<\/td>\n

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3.7(2.7)(8)(9)(10)(11) Community Payback<\/strong><\/p>\n

B Allan said she was still awaiting replies.\u00a0 G Brown said that the timber and paint are arriving tomorrow.\u00a0 B Allan asked for Craig Hutton\u2019s address.<\/td>\n

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3.8(2.12)(5)\u00a0 Miller Terrace Pavements<\/strong><\/p>\n

B Allan said that there is no room for prams or buggies to go past at Miller Terrace because of the plant pots.\u00a0 Bill Buchan mentioned the caravan at the corner of Miller Terrace.\u00a0 Cllr J Docherty said that he would follow this up and take photographs.<\/td>\n

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3.9(8.1) No 6 Station Road<\/strong><\/p>\n

G Brown said that he had emailed Cllr E Riches with evidence of bids. \u00a0Cllr Riches said she got an apology from Sharon Ward for what she put in her email to Mr Kyle (which had said that no community groups submitted an offer \u2026).\u00a0 Sharon Ward had said that she was genuinely sorry for the confusion caused.\u00a0 Cllr E Riches said that we all knew that when Mr Kyle read out the email last time that it was patently wrong.\u00a0 Cllr E Riches said that she still needs to go back to Housing to see if they had the option to choose a lower bid.\u00a0 She added that we are not going to turn the clock back, but we do need to understand this.<\/p>\n

Cllr J Docherty said that he would bring up this with Rod Campbell, the former MSP, and ask him to look out anything in connection with this and make it available.<\/td>\n

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3.10 (8.10) Street Lamps Renewed<\/strong><\/p>\n

This was looked into and it was agreed that what they were proposing was OK.<\/td>\n

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3.11(8.11) House in Disrepair<\/strong><\/p>\n

V Salvage said that she had tried to ring the telephone number.\u00a0 There was no reply.\u00a0 She said that she would get back to this.<\/td>\n

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Previous Minutes Approved:\u00a0 <\/strong><\/p>\n

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4<\/strong><\/td>\nChairperson\u2019s Report<\/strong><\/p>\n

The Chairman said that the recent Sea Queen event had been a very successful couple of days – the sun shone on us for the two days.\u00a0 He gave thanks to everyone who helped.\u00a0 He gave thanks also to<\/p>\n

Cllr E Riches for being our VIP for the weekend.<\/p>\n

P Copland said that he would like to make his views felt about the damage that has been done to the MUGA.\u00a0 He said that it is totally reprehensible and uncalled for.\u00a0 Hopefully the information that the police have will go some way to find out who was responsible for this damage.\u00a0 The fence was deliberately taken up, and now one of the posts for the tennis nets has been broken out of the ground.<\/p>\n

The Chairman said that next Saturday we have a Faith, Hope and Blues evening here in the Mayview at 7.30 pm; tickets cost \u00a35, which includes stovies.\u00a0 This is the second one that they have held.\u00a0 The first one was a sell-out and it looks as if this will be as successful.\u00a0 The fundraiser is for the Nursery and for the Hall Improvement Fund.<\/td>\n

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5<\/strong><\/td>\nSecretary\u2019s Report<\/strong><\/p>\n

There were a number of road closures because of Sea Queen Day.\u00a0 There was also an emergency road closure in the West End.\u00a0 These roads have now been re-opened.<\/p>\n

Regarding the changes to the bus timetables.\u00a0 There were numerous consultations.\u00a0 The closest consultation was on Friday in Cupar on the pavement by the bus stop by W H Smith.\u00a0 There have been changes to the timetables for the X60, X62 and X58.\u00a0 The provision by the X62 will be enhanced and there will be buses at 20 minutes frequency instead of 30 minute frequency.<\/p>\n

There has been the 5th<\/sup> Statutory Review of Electoral Arrangements.\u00a0 The Local Government Boundary Commission for Scotland has submitted to Scottish Ministers its Reports and Final Recommendations for the number of councillors and the electoral ward boundaries in each of Scotland\u2019s 32 local authorities.\u00a0 G Brown said that there is a website that anyone interested can go to for more information:<\/p>\n

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G Brown said that he also got something from the Fife Elderly Forum Executive.\u00a0 They have now renamed their organisation the Fife Elderly Forum. G Brown offered to allow anyone interested to read what he had received from this organisation.<\/td>\n

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6<\/strong><\/td>\nTreasurer\u2019s Report<\/strong><\/p>\n

G Brown said that Bill Porteous has raised \u00a3527 from willing people for Beautiful St Monans flowers.\u00a0 G Brown said this amount includes several small donations; adding that all donations (large and small) are very much appreciated.\u00a0 We got our floral grant.\u00a0 Over the years it has been cut year on year.\u00a0 This year it is \u00a3229.\u00a0 We have one expenditure item for the new mats and wicks.\u00a0 Last month, G Brown said that he reported it as \u00a3530.\u00a0 However he said that it is in fact \u00a3530 plus VAT – \u00a3660.<\/p>\n

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7<\/strong><\/td>\nPlanning<\/strong><\/p>\n

Planning permission in principle for demolishing stores and garages at 12 Elm Grove and the proposer is to build a house.\u00a0 There are no details: no elevations or sections.\u00a0 The house would appear to be 12 m long.\u00a0 Until such time as a full planning application goes in we can say no more.\u00a0 G Brown said that he did not see any reason why we could reasonably object to it yet.<\/p>\n

There was a non-material Variation request for height of the MUGA floodlights from 12 m to 8 m and G Brown said that he saw that it had been passed that day.<\/td>\n

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8<\/strong><\/td>\nAOCB<\/strong><\/p>\n

8.1\u00a0 Common Good Application for the Kirk Hall<\/strong><\/p>\n

P Copland brought up the Common Good Application for the windows for the Kirk Hall.\u00a0 It has been brought forward for CC approval for \u00a35,000.\u00a0 It has to go to Council for approval.\u00a0\u00a0 This is only part of the cost because the church has to fund part of it itself.\u00a0 The estimate for the budget is \u00a325,000.\u00a0\u00a0 They have given us copies of quotations.\u00a0 There was a contingency built in of a few thousand to cover plasterwork which would inevitably be damaged.\u00a0 The other \u00a325,000 they are raising themselves.\u00a0 In answer to a question from a member of the public it was said that the \u2018Nearly New\u2019 money goes into the church funds for various things; there was a copy of the Church of Scotland accounts for St Monans available to have a look at.\u00a0 The estimates are for \u00a322,174, \u00a318,184 and \u00a319,388 plus approximately \u00a3500 for repairs to the stone ingos.\u00a0 In their application they do say that the Church Hall is used fairly heavily by various groups.\u00a0\u00a0 One group left the Church Hall because of draughts from the windows.\u00a0 G Brown said that the CC needed to vote on this to decide whether we wish to support this or not.\u00a0 Several of the Community Councillors who had a connection with the church, declared an interest and therefore could not vote.\u00a0 A vote was taken.\u00a0 Result: carried \u2013 all those able to vote were in favour.<\/p>\n

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8.2\u00a0 Fence at the Bottom of the Dawsie<\/strong><\/p>\n

P Copland said that a fence has appeared at the bottom of the Dausie at the West End\u00a0 (at the bottom of the hill beside the lamppost with the 2 hanging baskets).\u00a0 He said that he had no knowledge of who that land belongs to, or who built the fence.\u00a0 G Brown said that the people who are building that fence do not own that bit of land.\u00a0 A Member of the Public asked what was the purpose of the fence.\u00a0 G Brown said that it looks as if they are putting in rubble behind the fence to form a pathway.\u00a0 G Brown said that the CC had objected to the outside store there.\u00a0 There were conditions that they did not comply with.\u00a0 Nothing happened.\u00a0 He went on to say that, if Planning choose not to do anything, we are powerless.\u00a0 All we can do is point it out to Lyall Smith in Enforcement and see what he says.\u00a0 Cllr D Macgregor to contact\u00a0Lyle Smith.<\/td>\n

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\u00a0<\/strong><\/td>\n8.3\u00a0 Multi-Use Games Arena (MUGA)<\/strong><\/p>\n

G Brown said that, as everyone was probably aware, the MUGA was vandalised at the weekend by people bouncing on the net.\u00a0 He said that he had a photograph.\u00a0 He reported it to the police, who are pretty sure they will find out exactly who it was.\u00a0 While he was reporting the vandalism, G Brown asked about CCTV.\u00a0 He said that, as far as the policeman was aware, there was nothing to stop us from getting a CCTV system to cover that area.\u00a0 So, G Brown said, he had gone back to Alan Bisset who is in charge of the MUGA and asked him to investigate that.<\/p>\n

Also, when the sockets for the net were put in G Brown said that he had mentioned at the time that he was surprised that the sockets for the net were just in tarmac.\u00a0 He said that he would suggest that when they are repaired that they are put in concrete.<\/p>\n

He said that, in the meantime, this puts the official opening back yet again, because there is no way that we want to open it when there is a hole in the gate and a hole in the surface.<\/p>\n

A member of the public said he went over and had spoken to the people involved, and had handed over photographic evidence and gave information to the police.\u00a0 He said that hopefully it will be resolved in a sensible manner.\u00a0 He said that it is a good facility but it needs to be controlled.\u00a0 It will not work if it is to be open all night.<\/p>\n

G Brown said that the lighting will be on a time switch, so it will not be on after 8.30 pm.\u00a0 It will have PIRs so it will not go on if it is too bright \u2013 so the lighting will only be of use during the winter.\u00a0 He went on to say that part of the condition was that it had to be open to anyone at any time for free.\u00a0 They have one in Crail and they have virtually no problem with vandalism.\u00a0 Nothing has happened to their playing surface or fencing.\u00a0 They have to operate it in the same way as us.\u00a0 We can do nothing else.\u00a0 The member of the public said that he suspected that the facility that was there before got into a poor state of repair because it was not being controlled.\u00a0 G Brown said that there had been a fee for the use of the facility, but, he said, the fencing started to rot and then people stopped using it.\u00a0 The member of the public said that there needs to be some boundaries set.\u00a0 For example, he said, there were people who were playing football at 12 pm at night in the dark.<\/p>\n

G Brown said that we cannot lock it, because we would be in breach of one of the grants.\u00a0 The member of the public said that it will only be used as long as it is usable.\u00a0\u00a0 G Brown again said that Crail had had no problem with vandalism of their facility.\u00a0 Cllr D Macgregor said that that is not quite true: at the beginning they did have some vandalism.\u00a0 The member of the public said that it may well be that a notice goes up trying to lay down some guidelines. \u00a0G Brown said that, if we have a CCTV system in operation, if something does get vandalised, we will have a good idea who has done it.\u00a0 M Ashworth asked if the CCTV coverage of the area would be made known to those using the MUGA.\u00a0 G Brown said that the police said that you must inform people that you have a CCTV system.<\/p>\n

Cllr E Riches asked if the children had been taken along to the facility.\u00a0 G Brown said that they were about to be taken along when the vandalism happened.<\/p>\n

W Buchan said that the fencing in the gate has been cut, and he did not think it has been a school child.\u00a0 G Brown said that, again, he thought that the fault was with the Contractors for not handing over sooner when it was finished internally.\u00a0 A member of the public asked if it had been handed over now.\u00a0 G Brown said that it has been handed over to Fife Council as it is on Fife Council land.\u00a0 They are responsible for maintenance and have Public Liability Insurance.\u00a0 He added that we do not want to own it.<\/p>\n

P Copland said that we are still in consultation with the Council to try to resolve this situation.<\/td>\n

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\u00a0<\/strong><\/td>\n8.4 (8.13) 24 George Terrace<\/strong><\/p>\n

A member of the public said that there had been a couple of things that have happened in the last 10 days.\u00a0 He thanked Cllr E Riches for passing on his emails to the proper people in Planning.\u00a0 He said that he had received a letter saying that they were going to dig up the road to lay a gas main.\u00a0 The member of the public wrote back saying that we owned the road, but they said that they could use statutory powers.<\/p>\n

The member of the public said that Willie Rennie came and looked at the development and said that he would look at it for us.\u00a0 The member of the public said that he had put together a dossier with a covering letter.<\/p>\n

The member of the public said that they are still building \u2013 still going ahead with external and internal work.\u00a0 P Copland said that he saw some of the correspondence regarding finishes etc and said that they are obviously carrying on regardless.\u00a0 The member of the public said that until they move in, we cannot do anything about the second condition of 2 parking spaces.<\/p>\n

A member of the public said, can I ask on whose authority that condition was changed.\u00a0 Transportation was very clear on that condition that 2 parking spaces had to be provided within the curtilage of the property.\u00a0 An additional phrase has been added after saying that they can build the building, but 2 parking spaces have to be provided prior to occupation.\u00a0 Cllr E Riches said that Transportation are asked for their views and then the Planners take from what Transportation have said.\u00a0 The member of the public said that St Monans conservation areas are under Article 4 direction, which includes for example that you cannot change road layouts.\u00a0 The whole conservation area is covered by Article 4 direction.\u00a0 The member of the public added that this is in addition to this rather dubious rewriting of the script.<\/p>\n

B Allan asked whether the people affected could go to the Ombudsman.\u00a0 A member of the public said that, in most cases you have to go through the process.\u00a0 Once you come to the end of the process with Fife Council, then you can go outside.\u00a0 A member of the public said that Fife Council has not responded.\u00a0\u00a0 Cllr E Riches said that she would chase it.\u00a0 The member of the public said that he had put in a reminder that day.\u00a0 The questions are quite reasonable:\u00a0 there are questions about the site; about the boundaries; about Article 4 Direction.\u00a0 There are 2 main anomalies about the application: what is the site that was supposedly on the application; the other point about the extra 30 sq m is that street furniture which are historical drying posts have been removed from that site without planning permission or consultation.\u00a0 You need Historical Scotland\u2019s permission to remove street furniture.\u00a0 Cllr E Riches asked when this happened.\u00a0 A member of the public said they just dumped them next door to us at the beginning \u2013 about January.<\/p>\n

A member of the public said that he reported to the Council meeting where the drainage work began, which has the car parking on it.\u00a0 He said that he finally got through to Liam Anderson, Lead Architect, on<\/p>\n

23 February.\u00a0 The member of the public said that he was concerned about what was going on there, including drainage, but, he said that the drying poles came up in the conversation.\u00a0 The member of the public said that he asked what the plans were for putting them back.\u00a0 That was when it was said that they did not have to do anything about it \u2013 \u201cwe have a parking area\u201d.\u00a0 The member of the public said that people have rights of usage.\u00a0 His reply was, \u201cNo we have clear and good title.\u201d\u00a0 The member of the public told Liam Anderson that we have our original Title Deeds, which said that we have rights of usage of the roadway of 20 feet, which is almost up to the wall of the property and I am sure we can produce these.\u00a0 His reply was, \u201cWhere are you going to go with it?\u201d\u00a0 The member of the public said we had had no notice of this and that the Trustees should be made aware of this (Charlotte Scott Summers Trust).\u00a0 He said that the Trust has no income.\u00a0 The member of the public said that he was not getting an answer from the Scott Summers\u2019 lawyers \u2013 who have the Scott Summers\u2019 deed boxes.\u00a0\u00a0 The member of the public said that he wanted to look at them, but he said that he was not getting any response from them. \u00a0The lawyer said that the Trustees are not going to want anything to do with this.<\/p>\n

P Copland said that it sounds as if there is a conflict of interest regarding the lawyer.\u00a0 As land is in dispute, surely the Community Council should try, through a Freedom of Information request, to get what the true position is.\u00a0 Cllr E Riches said that any individual can do that.\u00a0 A member of the public said that we have seen some of the older deeds \u2013 1904.\u00a0 At the back of the house it was not a lane, but these deeds cover all the lane. \u00a0It was all Charlotte\u2019s land. \u00a0They were the ones who originally bought that.\u00a0 It was said that we all had a common right to that land.<\/p>\n

The member of the public said that he (the person developing the property) has no right.\u00a0 He is not included in that, and our area goes right out to George Terrace. \u00a0These deeds cover all the lane out to George Terrace as owned in common by these people.<\/p>\n

The member of the public said that the person developing the land\u2019s Land Register Deeds allow access and egress.\u00a0 He is not allowed to park.\u00a0 It seems that Fife Council Planning is just wanting it to go away.\u00a0 He said that he suspects that any interest or objection must be created by the people here, assisted by the Community Council.<\/p>\n

G Brown said that he thought that, in the first instance what we should be doing is getting the Head of Planning here.\u00a0 Cllr E Riches wondered if it would be worth getting the Head of Planning to talk to some of that detail with a small meeting with key people.<\/p>\n

It was suggested that the line that might be taken is to say that the owners of George Terrace have made a diligent effort to find out the ownership status of the land \u2013 which is a murky thing \u2013 for example with words such as \u2018Charlotte Scott Summers and their heirs give permission \u2026.\u2019.\u00a0 Cllr E Riches said that this is why the Planners say that they will not deal with the land issues, which, she said, is why she thought we can get people together to talk, with the Deeds.\u00a0 G Brown said that he thought it would be a very useful first step.\u00a0 Cllr E Riches said that it might answer some of the outstanding questions.\u00a0 G Brown said that if it does not and we have exhausted that possibility, we need to go elsewhere.<\/p>\n

A member of the public said that he had his property papers, but that it put him in a difficult position now, as he said that he needs his neighbours to show him their property papers.\u00a0 However he said that he strongly suggests that when we get all our deeds together, the thing will all be the same.<\/p>\n

Cllr Riches suggested that we may also need a legal person at the meeting with the Head of Planning.\u00a0 She said that she was sure that one of the more Junior Planners such as Chris Smith would be good.\u00a0\u00a0 A member of the Public said that he thought John Leith is the person to do this, as he is a Trustee.\u00a0 A member of the public said that at this stage there has to be a legal stance.\u00a0 He said that the person building the property is basically promoting this and forcing a situation where he does not have to justify anything.\u00a0 The onus is on the people affected to justify what they own.\u00a0 P Copland asked if the people affected by the development had a legal adviser to sit in at the meeting.<\/p>\n

Cllr E Riches said that according to the Land Agent, their client had made reasonable attempts to clarify the ownership, and issues related to the ownership of the land.\u00a0 A member of the public said that it is quite significant that he has not approached any of the neighbours and he has to buy land from somebody.\u00a0 The member of the public said that it bothered him that it suggests that the land ownership is the only issue.\u00a0 We have rights to use the land – we know that; they know that.\u00a0 He said he was sure everybody knows what is in our Title Deeds.\u00a0 He does not have legal access.<\/p>\n

The member of the public asked if it was possible for the Councillor to ask what was in the Deed of Purchase.<\/p>\n

A member of the public said that the development seems to not comply with Fife Council\u2019s guidelines on non-material variations.\u00a0 There is a detailed list of what are planning conditions.\u00a0 These are matters of law, of legality.\u00a0 There are about 7 breaches of this, and the guidelines states that any single breach means the application must be put back to a full Planning Application with neighbour notification.\u00a0 Fife Council needs to be asked why these issues have not been addressed.\u00a0 The member of the public said that he did not understand why the CC or any other objector has not received any notifications of any of these non-material variations.<\/p>\n

A member of the public said that he had pursued these non-material variations.\u00a0 He spoke to Chris Smith and was told that, \u201cthat is not material\u201d.\u00a0 Cllr E Riches said that this is what we want to discuss when we get our meeting with Head of Planning.<\/p>\n

P Copland asked to set up a meeting with the Head of Planning and a Case Officer, but added that we really need to have a legal representative in place to represent your best interest.\u00a0 Cllr E Riches said again that Fife Council will not comment on land issues – that is Civil.\u00a0 P Copland said again that he thought that the people affected by the development need legal advice.<\/p>\n

P Copland asked if it is possible for our Councillors to arrange suitable dates with the Head of Planning and a Case Officer for a meeting.\u00a0 Various dates and times were mentioned.\u00a0 Cllr Riches suggested the week beginning the 4th<\/sup> July in the afternoon or evening (saying that she could not manage the 6th<\/sup> of July.\u00a0 Cllr E Riches said that we will come forward with some dates for Head of Planning plus 4 residents representing those affected most, and at least 2 of the Community Councillors.<\/td>\n

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9<\/strong><\/td>\nPublic Questions<\/strong><\/p>\n

9.1\u00a0 Roadsweeping<\/strong><\/p>\n

A member of the public said that she noticed a roadsweeper that day sweeping in Anstruther.\u00a0 She said that Station Road in St Monans is a mess.\u00a0 It was added that there were 4 people at Windygates picking up litter, but we get nobody here.\u00a0 They do not sweep.\u00a0 B Allan said that Inverie Street was swept on one of the days prior to the Sea Queen.<\/p>\n

J Docherty said that he would chase this up.\u00a0 G Brown said that he had had a meeting about this about a year ago.\u00a0 The person claimed that we were not treated any differently than any other villages, but, G Brown said, to be honest he thought that there is a difference.\u00a0 A member of the public agreed, saying that he saw street cleaning in Elie, but very little activity here.<\/td>\n

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\u00a0<\/strong><\/td>\n9.2\u00a0 The Housing of People with Mental Health Issues in St Monans<\/strong><\/p>\n

V Salvage said that about 5 or 6 people have spoken to her separately suggesting that St Monans is being used as a dumping ground for people with mental health issues. \u00a0Cllr E Riches said that we have discussed this at our local office meeting; we can discuss it again.\u00a0 She said that they have similar discussions about the High Street in Anstruther, where the ambulances will not go singly.\u00a0 She said that they are trying to get some sort of special letting policy so anyone who is coming has to have a reference.\u00a0 She added that we tried this at Johnston\u2019s Close; I think we should try that again \u2013 to have a letting policy.\u00a0 The following areas were identified:\u00a0 Braid Court, Johnston\u2019s Close, East Street.<\/td>\n

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\u00a0<\/strong><\/td>\n\u00a09.3\u00a0 People in St Monans buying Drugs <\/strong><\/p>\n

It was said that there seem to be people from Johnston\u2019s Close who appear to be buying drugs.\u00a0 A member of the public said that on 11 June he noticed a male going into the ladies toilets and half an hour later he came staggering out.\u00a0 Then he secreted a bag in the recycling centre.\u00a0 The member of the public said he called the police and showed the policeman the bag.\u00a0 It was drugs and paraphernalia including used needles and spoon.\u00a0 The police took all the details and went away.\u00a0 An incident number has been given.\u00a0 The member of the public said that he agreed with everything everyone has been saying: you get drugs – you get criminality, and violence.\u00a0 It leaves booby-traps for young children and animals to find.\u00a0 V Salvage said that she thought there was a reluctance in the East Neuk to report such incidents, but that the police had told us on more than one occasion of the importance of reporting anything suspicious, even if you don\u2019t want to press charges: please phone to say that you have seen something.\u00a0 Cllr E Riches said that some people do not even like doing that, but if you \u2018phone a Crimestopper number \u2013 0800 555 111, you do not need to give your name and number – do not ever think that what you have to say is unimportant; it can be what the police needs to be able to charge someone.<\/p>\n

M Ashworth said that there had been a worrying incident that she had had to report to the police.\u00a0 The police took one and a half hours to come. The youths were shouting and jeering and it was not a pleasant experience.<\/p>\n

Cllr J Docherty said that phoning 111 can be slow, and advised to phone 999.<\/td>\n

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\u00a0<\/strong><\/td>\n9.4 Overflowing Waste Bins <\/strong><\/p>\n

A member of the public said he had phoned Waste Aware because the large household refuse bin by the harbour was overflowing last week.\u00a0 It was emptied, but is now overflowing again.\u00a0 He said that during the holiday season more and more rubbish will be deposited there; they need at least 2 bins.\u00a0 P Copland said that the landlords of the holiday lets should be paying special rates and putting their waste out on a separate day.\u00a0\u00a0 Instead they tell their rentees to dump their rubbish in the bin.\u00a0 The member of the public suggested that, as Waste Aware are in the village every day, we should ask them to pick it up if they are here.\u00a0 G Brown said that their vehicle does not have the facility to empty it.\u00a0 P Copland said that they do not have the facilities because they have cut back on the number of vehicles.\u00a0 G Brown suggested that maybe the folk who live there should have what we have; we put out a bag on a Wednesday morning.\u00a0 There is very little problem.<\/p>\n

Cllr E Riches said that there were complaints about the bins on George Terrace at the top of Braid Court.\u00a0 Instead of the blue Bins, they will be removed, they will get a big bin.\u00a0 Waste Aware do realize that this is something that does not just happen once in a while.<\/td>\n

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\u00a0<\/strong><\/td>\n9.5 Whirlygig Washing Lines<\/strong><\/p>\n

Cllr E Riches said that there had been comments made about the whirlygigs by the shore and questions regarding whether there is an agreement that people can put whirlygigs on the pavement.\u00a0 The Council say that they could say it is a potential obstruction on the pavement.\u00a0 They want to know if they have always been there.\u00a0 A member of the public said that there used to be clothes poles there.\u00a0 A member of the public said that she used to stay at No 3 about 30 years ago and there was a whirly there then.<\/td>\n

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\u00a0<\/strong><\/td>\n9.6(8.6)\u00a0 Speeding Traffic and Potholes at Abercrombie<\/strong><\/p>\n

B Allan asked whether Abercrombie could get a 20 mph limit, because twice this week she had just about had the side of her car taken off.<\/p>\n

M Ashworth said that that is because they are trying to avoid the potholes; the 30 mph speed limit does not come into force until the narrow bit of the road.\u00a0 M Ashworth added that the potholes in the road are causing a safety issue.<\/td>\n

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\u00a0<\/strong><\/td>\n9.7 \u00a0Sign to Direct People to Post Office<\/strong><\/p>\n

W Buchan said that he was asked this morning if a post could be put in Station Road to tell people where the Post Office is.\u00a0 It was asked if there was anything that could be put beside the signboard on Station Road.\u00a0 P Copland said that it was the responsibility of the Post Office to pursue the signage.\u00a0 A Member of the public asked if we should not help our visitors \u2013 as signage is difficult enough to get from the Council.<\/td>\n

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\u00a0<\/strong><\/td>\n\u00a09.8\u00a0 People taking Community Ground<\/strong><\/p>\n

A member of the public suggested going to Edinburgh to find out through the Land Registry the ownership of all the ground in<\/p>\n

St Monans, as she claimed that people were taking community ground.\u00a0 M Ashworth asked if we could not just get this from Fife Council and save the money.\u00a0 The member of the public said that there appears to be a bit of a land grab by acquisition here.\u00a0 P Copland said that you could argue that if they did not take ownership of it, it would go into disrepair – for example the back of East Shore: if that had been left in its original state, who would have looked after it.\u00a0 The member of the public said that the Council would have come round and sprayed it with weedkiller.<\/p>\n

G Brown said that you will recall that some years ago a lady in the\u00a0West End claimed a wee bit of ground because she thought she should have it.\u00a0 She then registered it in Edinburgh.\u00a0 We pointed out this to the Council, but they said it would cost too much to pursue it.\u00a0 The member of the public said that people are just coming and in and taking things.\u00a0 She gave an example of ground at Virgin Square where someone has put Private Parking on ground that he does not own.\u00a0 She said the man from the Land Registry had said that the man did not own an inch outside his property.<\/p>\n

Cllr Riches suggested that they could offer to help by getting a map which shows all the Common Good Ground.\u00a0 (She said that the map was publicly available.)<\/td>\n

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\u00a0<\/strong><\/td>\n9.9 Abandoned Car<\/strong><\/p>\n

A member of the public said that a car had been abandoned in a local farmer\u2019s field, and had lain there for several weeks, despite the farmer having contacted the police and Fife Council to try to get it removed.\u00a0 He said that it went from one crime to another crime.\u00a0 The car was vandalised and then eventually torched.\u00a0 He said that the vandalism could have been prevented if Fife Council had removed the vehicle and moved the car to a pound.\u00a0 The member of the public said that the reason that this did not happen was because Fife Council is cutting costs.<\/p>\n

In reply in was said that if there is a query regarding insurance the vehicle will not be removed.<\/td>\n

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\u00a0<\/strong><\/td>\nClose and Date of Next Meeting<\/strong><\/p>\n

The meeting was closed.\u00a0 The date of the next Ordinary Meeting<\/strong> will be advised.<\/td>\n

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