{"id":3293,"date":"2016-12-11T11:54:48","date_gmt":"2016-12-11T11:54:48","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/stmonans.org.uk\/blog\/?p=3293"},"modified":"2024-07-07T22:04:38","modified_gmt":"2024-07-07T21:04:38","slug":"community-council-minutes-171016","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stmonans.org.uk\/blog\/community-council-minutes-171016\/","title":{"rendered":"Community Council Minutes 17\/10\/16"},"content":{"rendered":"

Minutes<\/strong> of the Ordinary Meeting of the Burgh of St Monans and Abercrombie Community Council<\/strong> held on Monday, 17 October 2016 at 7.30 pm.<\/p>\n

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P Copland (Chairman)<\/td>\nV Salvage (Vice Chairman)<\/td>\nV Bland<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
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1<\/strong><\/td>\nWelcome and Apologies<\/strong><\/p>\n

P Copland welcomed everyone.<\/p>\n

Apologies: P Peddie, S Tarvit, Cllr J Docherty and W Buchan<\/td>\n

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3.1 (3.4)(2.1)(4)(3.1) Water at Rose Street<\/strong><\/p>\n

P Copland said that we all got copies of the Report.\u00a0 Scottish Water have washed their hands of it by virtue of that Report.<\/td>\n

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3.2\u00a0 (3.9)(8.1)(3.2)(3.8)(3.2) No 6 Station Road<\/strong><\/p>\n

Cllr E Riches said that she had nothing more to report.<\/td>\n

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3.3 (3.11)(8.11)(3.7)(3.3) House in Disrepair<\/strong><\/p>\n

V Salvage said that she was still trying to get someone to answer the \u2018phone.\u00a0 M Ashworth asked if she had tried putting a letter through the door.<\/td>\n

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3.4 (9.4)(3.12) House at Mid Shore<\/strong><\/p>\n

V Salvage reported that the render has been taken off, and there is scaffolding round the house.<\/td>\n

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3.5 (8.2)(3.9)\u00a0 Fence at the Bottom of the Dawsie<\/strong><\/p>\n

P Copland said that both he and V Salvage had spoken to the owner of No 26 West End.\u00a0 P Copland said he spoke on the \u2018phone and asked him to give a note of the background of what was going ahead.<\/p>\n

P Copland read from a letter he had received from the owner in which he said he had tried to summarise the background, context and works regarding his aspirations to improve his access and landscaping to his garden area for his home.<\/p>\n

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\u201cThe property has been in my family\u2019s ownership since 1998 (and for which I hold the requisite land titles).\u00a0 As the garden had a wide opening to the public road, it was suffering from dog-walker waste and litter; and the potential hazard of the garden\u2019s cliff edge from youngsters who might wander onto it.\u00a0 To address these issues, for a holiday-let, I introduced the temporary measure of closing off this opening in 1999.<\/p>\n

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In September 2015 its use as a holiday let ceased, when it became my family home \u2026..\u00a0 Given its return to use as a family home, I want to improve the quality of my only real garden space, which is on the seaward side of the road, to a standard more appropriate for my home (than a holiday home).<\/p>\n

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As the garden\u2019s principal level\/grassed area is steep, for the safety of my family, I have started constructing a low sandstone wall around the edge of the ground.\u00a0 I also intend to include a hardstanding area to keep my vehicle further back from the bend.<\/p>\n

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I hope this provides the summary background you had asked for.\u201d<\/p>\n

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A member of the public spoke about the history of the ownership of the property.\u00a0 P Copland said that the present owner says he has title to that ground.\u00a0 The member of the public asked if the owner had the right to put up a fence.\u00a0\u00a0 P Copland replied that the fence is within his curtilage.\u00a0 The member of the public said that she meant the fence on the sea-side where he knocked the wall down.\u00a0 P Copland replied that he did, if it was within his land.\u00a0 V Salvage said that when the owner spoke to her about this he said he had spoken to Alec Anderson about it to find out about the background and history.\u00a0 He said he did not know it was ever part of something else.\u00a0 The member of the public said that what she did not understand was, if that belonged to someone else long ago, how could someone get the title deeds for it.<\/p>\n

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Brenda Allan asked P Copland if Robert Marr (who owns Fyall\u2019s monument) had ever got back to him about this.<\/td>\n

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3.6\u00a0 (8.3)(3.10)(3.5) Multi-Use Games Arena (MUGA)<\/strong><\/p>\n

P Copland said that he had contacted Alan Bisset and asked him a few questions, saying that G Brown had retired from the Trust.\u00a0 P Copland asked when the repairs are being done; when the lights are going up and about insurance.\u00a0 As you can see, he said, the lights have gone up and the net has been re-erected across the court, so that is a step forward.\u00a0 He thought they would hear sooner rather than later about the payment coming forward.<\/p>\n

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P Copland, in answer to V Salvage\u2019s question, said that the children can play on the MUGA now.<\/td>\n

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3.7 (8.4)(8.13)(3.11)(3.6) 24 George Terrace<\/strong><\/p>\n

Cllr E Riches asked if this is still being looked into by Kevin Tredwell.<\/p>\n

V Salvage answered that, as far as she knew, it is.\u00a0 E Riches said that she had seen letters but that she did not know if anyone will be content.\u00a0 A member of the public asked if they were getting to go ahead.\u00a0 Cllr E Riches said that nothing is changing.\u00a0 The complaint is related to the parking spaces, so it is carrying on.\u00a0 The land contests will not be done through the Council, but, unfortunately will be done through people\u2019s own solicitors.<\/p>\n

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P Copland said that the CC had not received any feedback from any of the parties involved.<\/td>\n

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3.8 (9.1)(3.12)(3.7)\u00a0 Roadsweeping, Dog Mess, Lighting<\/strong><\/p>\n

A member of the public said that on 24 September they were in Gourlay Crescent, but they have not seen them since.\u00a0 On<\/p>\n

30 September, the member of the public said, Station Road was a disgrace and it took 2 weeks before anyone came to sweep it, and it was not half swept then.\u00a0 She went on to say that the place is a disgrace and the dogs\u2019 mess is terrible.<\/p>\n

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P Copland asked if anyone had taken it upon themselves to report it to the dog wardens.\u00a0 A member of the public asked if they were ever on the end of the \u2018phone.\u00a0 A member of the public commented that it is in the dark that the mess is left; and another member of the public asked what was the point (of contacting the dog wardens) if you need to have evidence.\u00a0 Cllr E Riches said that if you say who you think the owners of the dogs are they will go to visit them.\u00a0 They will need evidence to be fined, but the fine is up to \u00a380 \u2013 it is not insignificant.\u00a0 V Salvage gave an instance she had seen of a person walking a dog who was walking well ahead of their dog and did not see that the dog had made a mess.\u00a0 Cllr E Riches said that if the Warden saw them they would take them to task.<\/p>\n

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P Copland said that all he could suggest is that members of the public keep phoning the Dog Warden.<\/p>\n

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A member of the public said that, regarding lighting, when a light is out in a main street, does it have to take 5 days.\u00a0 Cllr E Riches said that they would try to be there much quicker than that.<\/p>\n

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B Allan said that they do not come out for one (light) there has to be two.<\/p>\n

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A member of the public (later in the meeting) said he was reiterating what someone had said before, but if you see a street light off \u2013 \u2018phone to report it \u2013 even if we report it several times.<\/td>\n

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3.9\u00a0 Number of Pets Allowed in a Council House <\/strong><\/p>\n

V Bland asked how many pets are allowed in a Council House.\u00a0 He said that he knew someone who has 3 dogs and 6 cats in Braid Court.<\/p>\n

Cllr E Riches said that we can ask the question.<\/td>\n

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3.10 (9.4)(3.14)(3.9) Overflowing Bins<\/strong><\/p>\n

Cllr Riches said that she was going to go back to try to get a better answer.\u00a0 What the Council would like is – if people see evidence of a problem – they want to address that problem.\u00a0 But, Cllr Riches said, we feel that they should be addressing this as a more overall\u00a0 matter which applies to all holiday lets.\u00a0\u00a0 So, she said, \u201cThat is my battle.\u201d<\/td>\n

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3.11\u00a0 (9.6)(3.10)\u00a0 Braehead Church<\/strong><\/p>\n

P Copland said that regarding repairs required for the Church on Braehead, that G Brown had offered to help a member of the public with an application.\u00a0 P Copland offered his help with this when they were ready to make the application.\u00a0 The member of the public said that the Church is locked, but we use the hall and the toilet facilities.<\/td>\n

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3.12\u00a0 (9.6)(8.6)(10.3)(3.11)\u00a0 Potholes at Abercrombie and Cutting Verges<\/strong><\/p>\n

The Council visited the site.\u00a0 They can see no potholes and no hazard.\u00a0 P Copland said that he had noticed that the tar does not meet the verge.<\/p>\n

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Regarding the cutting of verges, some places got a second cut.<\/p>\n

M Ashworth said that she did not think their verge got a second cut and commented that it is awful at the junction.<\/td>\n

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The date for the Burns Supper should be corrected to read<\/p>\n

11th<\/sup> February 2017.<\/strong><\/td>\n

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4<\/strong><\/td>\nChairperson\u2019s Report<\/strong><\/p>\n

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P Copland said that as G Brown has now resigned his position, there will be no Secretary\u2019s Report.<\/td>\n

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6<\/strong><\/td>\nTreasurer\u2019s Report<\/strong><\/p>\n

P Copland said that everything is fine.\u00a0 On the Floral Display Account there is a figure of \u00a3589.32 which has been wrongly allocated.\u00a0 It is the Community Council Annual Grant from Fife Council and should go into the Cashflow Account.\u00a0 This will happen when the new Treasurer takes up the post.<\/p>\n

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Floral Display Account \u2013 P Copland said that G Brown has applied for the full amount of Common Good Fund Grant to help this year\u2019s floral display.\u00a0 That, P Copland said, has still to be paid into the account, but G Brown has put it in as an income to be confirmed.<\/td>\n

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7<\/strong><\/td>\nPlanning<\/strong><\/p>\n

P Copland said that there is only one (Planning Application) this week that came through – that is for external works to 8 Station Road \u2013 the Diving Gannet.\u00a0 They are applying for new replacement windows \u2013 like for like \u2013 and painting the front of the building in line with the pallet of colours for listed buildings.\u00a0 Also they are looking at doing some internal alterations.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 A member of the public said that they are going to take down the wall inside between the 2 properties to make a seating area.\u00a0 P Copland said that the CC would keep an eye on it over the next few weeks, but they intend to keep the fa\u00e7ade.<\/td>\n

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8<\/strong><\/td>\nPublic Questions<\/strong><\/p>\n

8.1\u00a0 Top of the Water Pump\u00a0 and Drain Tops Missing<\/strong><\/p>\n

A member of the public reported that the top of the water pump at the washerwomen\u2019s house is missing.\u00a0 V Salvage said that the top of it is in<\/p>\n

M Ramsay\u2019s Garden awaiting repair.\u00a0 She said that there is someone who lives down there who has offered to repair it, and said that she would try to find out what is happening about that.<\/p>\n

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The member of the public said that while walking round the village she has noticed drain tops missing.<\/td>\n

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\u00a0<\/strong><\/td>\n8.2 Sewage Seeping into Burn<\/strong><\/p>\n

B Allan said that, at the steps at the end of Braehead, before you go down to the Church she had noticed sewage was going down the burn.\u00a0 She said that M Ramsay had reported it twice.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 B Allan said that they built up cement under one of the covers but on the<\/p>\n

8th<\/sup> October sewage was evident on the top.\u00a0 It was treated as an emergency, but, she thought it could have been repaired more quickly than it was.<\/p>\n

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16 October.\u00a0 B Allan said that it is a concern because it is not as evident that it is flooding again.<\/p>\n

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A member of the public said he wondered if they should be contacting not only Scottish Water, but also the Scottish Environmental Protection Agency (SEPA).\u00a0 P Copland asked B Allan if she could contact SEPA.\u00a0 V Salvage got confirmation that SEPA had been contacted a few years ago.<\/p>\n

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P Copland said that it is the telemetry that goes wrong.\u00a0 It is not affected by surface water, it is purely waste from houses.\u00a0 V Salvage remembered that the late Mrs Anderson had had to move out of her cottage for months.\u00a0 She said that she would imagine that that is the same drainage system.<\/td>\n

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A member of the public said that he knew that V Salvage was trying to get a railing for the foot of the Plerick.\u00a0 He said a railing would also be helpful for the path at the back of Brae House.<\/td>\n

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\u00a0<\/strong><\/td>\n8.4\u00a0 Light at the Bottom of the Plerick<\/strong><\/p>\n

A member of the public said that that the light at the bottom of the Plerick seems to go off regularly, which is potentially dangerous.<\/td>\n

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\u00a0<\/strong><\/td>\n8.5\u00a0 Stand-Pipe at Church Graveyard<\/strong><\/p>\n

A member of the public wondered if there was any chance of getting the water sorted at the Church Yard.\u00a0 B Allan said that a lot of people have been speaking to her about it.\u00a0 It has been said that it would be easy for a plumber to repair it, but it has not been done.\u00a0 To contact Liz Murphy.\u00a0 Cllr E Riches asked whether there was a pipe before.\u00a0 The answer was that there was a tap, which has been there for many years.<\/td>\n

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\u00a0<\/strong><\/td>\n8.6\u00a0 Strimming by the Burn<\/strong><\/p>\n

B Allan knew that they have finished strimming now, but, she said, a lot of people have been dumping stuff in the burn, eg rose bushes, nappies and coloured foamy stuff.\u00a0 It is getting used as a dumping ground.\u00a0 She was hoping that next summer when they strim, they will cut the village side of the burn, so you can see what is going on. She said that you cannot see that there is a burn now, which is a danger.\u00a0 She clarified in answer to Cllr Riches question that the bit of the burn where the strimming was most needed was the bit from the Kirk to the railway bridge.<\/td>\n

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B Allan said that at the back of Inverie Street there is a raised banking from the steps down that had big, huge boulders.\u00a0 She said that quite a lot of them have been moved recently.<\/td>\n

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\u00a0<\/strong><\/td>\n8.8 \u00a0Information Plaques<\/strong><\/p>\n

B Allan asked the CC if they knew if G Brown had managed to get the information plaques at the James Braid Garden.\u00a0 P Copland said that it has been paid for and asked B Allan to catch up with G Brown.<\/td>\n

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B Allan said to Cllr Riches that we have not had the strimming or weedkiller put down.\u00a0 Cllr E Riches said that she would chase them.\u00a0 Cllr E Riches praised B Allan on what a brilliant job she has done with the James Braid Garden.<\/td>\n

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\u00a0<\/strong><\/td>\n8.10 Money for Harbour Improvements<\/strong><\/p>\n

A member of the public said that she was told after the meeting in August that it cost \u00a3130,000 per year to run the harbour in St Monans, and that the improvement will cost \u00a36.5 m.\u00a0 She said that she was wondering where that money is to come from.\u00a0 P Copland replied that Gordon Bell is dealing with that, but from the last meetings that we had – on the back of Brexit – the possibility of us getting \u00a36.5 m is probably no chance at all.<\/td>\n

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9.1 Assessment re Move of Speed Sign<\/strong><\/p>\n

Cllr E Riches said \u2013 regarding the request to move the speed sign nearer the Caravan Park.\u00a0 That will be assessed by the end of October.<\/td>\n

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\u00a0<\/strong><\/td>\n9.2\u00a0 Speed Survey at Abercrombie<\/strong><\/p>\n

Cllr E Riches said that the speed survey at Abercrombie requested should be done by the end of November.<\/td>\n

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\u00a0<\/strong><\/td>\n9.3\u00a0 Arrangement for Collection of Rubbish<\/strong><\/p>\n

Cllr D Macgregor said that the intention was to revise the arrangement for the collecting of rubbish.\u00a0 That has been postponed because of lots of protest \u00a0– at least until the end of March and probably until after the election in May.<\/td>\n

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\u00a0<\/strong><\/td>\n9.4\u00a0 Harbour Dredging<\/strong><\/p>\n

A member of the public said that the harbour is getting dredged.<\/p>\n

Cllr E Riches said that two other communities are envious of this.<\/p>\n

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A member of the public commented that 3 boats were sunk in the harbour on Saturday.<\/td>\n

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\u00a0<\/strong><\/td>\n9.5\u00a0 Stonework by the Beach<\/strong><\/p>\n

A member of the public said that they are putting the stonework round about Craig Millar and Rocksby.\u00a0 They are just waiting for the bill.\u00a0 V Salvage said that they went down to see how the beach had survived, but the rough weather meant there was lots of seaweed so we cannot see it until it is washed away.<\/td>\n

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\u00a0<\/strong><\/td>\n9.6 New Community Council Members<\/strong><\/p>\n

M Ashworth asked \u2013 Can you advertise that the CC is needing new members?\u00a0 P Copland said that he was going to suggest that if you have any thoughts of people who may wish to come on the CC, to approach them in the first instance \u2013 people who would stick with it and do a job for the CC.\u00a0 M Ashworth said that she thinks it is important to bring people in.\u00a0\u00a0 Cllr E Riches suggested advertising on Facebook.\u00a0 V Salvage said that we will put it on the St Monans website.<\/td>\n

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\u00a0<\/strong><\/td>\nClose and Date of Next Meeting<\/strong><\/p>\n

The meeting was closed.<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

The date of the next Ordinary Meeting<\/strong> is 19 September 2016 at<\/p>\n

7.30 pm in the Mayview Hotel Function Suite.<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

P Copland if anyone was available for Remembrance Sunday on<\/p>\n

13 November 2016.\u00a0 The Councillors said that they were attending at other communities, but will deliver a wreath.<\/td>\n

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